Man Commits Suicide over Election

Postby GTAce » Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:39 pm

<a href='http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/nyc-suic1107,0,7756290.story?coll=ny-nynews-headlines' target='_blank'>Article</a>

some people need to chill out...is it worth taking your life over?

...he musta not had much going for him in the first place

one creepy thing...he worked in a computer lab, here at UGA :ugh:

Man commits suicide at Ground Zero

BY ROCCO PARASCANDOLA, DEBORAH MORRIS AND SEAN GARDINER
Staff Writers

November 6, 2004, 7:11 PM EST

Distraught over the re-election of President George W. Bush, a Georgia man traveled to New York City, went to Ground Zero and killed himself with a shotgun blast, police said yesterday.

The suicide victim, Andrew Veal, 25, was discovered just before 8 a.m. yesterday when a worker for the Millennium Hotel looking at Ground Zero from an upper floor saw a man lying atop the concrete structure through which the 1 and 9 subway lines run.

The worker, thinking the man was sleeping, alerted colleagues and the Port Authority police were notified.

But when they got to Veal's body, they realized he had killed himself with a shot to the head from a .12-gauge shotgun.

No suicide note was found, but according to a Port Authority police source, family members said Veal, a registered Democrat, was despondent over Bush's defeat of Sen. John Kerry. A second source said Veal, who lived in Athens, Ga., and worked for the University of Georgia, was also adamantly opposed to the war in Iraq.

More than three years after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, Ground Zero remains a top tourist attraction, the site rife with symbolism.

Visitors there yesterday reacted in different ways to news of Veal's suicide. Bobbie Jensen, 54, a Republican from Phoenix, said that while she understood how Bush's victory disturbed those who dislike him, Ground Zero is not the place to act on those emotions.

"You can be upset about the war, about Bush, but this is a sacred place," she said. "You got to accept what happened and not kill yourself." But Frank Franca, an East Village artist and registered Democrat, suggested the suicide was symbolic.

"I'm very moved by it," he said. "Obviously, this person was devastated. I can see why he would come here."

Franca's friend, Jeffim Kuznetsov, a 25-year-old student from Russia who lives in Atlanta, said the suicide is evidence of how deeply many Americans were affected by Kerry's defeat.

"It's a national tragedy," he said. "This election is devastating to all who believe in democracy."

Another visitor to Ground Zero, Arushi Raval, 34, a businesswoman who lives in Chelsea, said Veal might have been active in campaigning for Kerry, only to taste defeat.

"Maybe he felt ineffective," she said of the victim. "You feel ineffective if you tried and it all failed.

"I know so many New Yorkers who are depressed over this."

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Postby WhiteWolfette » Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:20 pm

Shesh, yeah he probably had other things in his life go wrong as well.
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Postby Slorg » Sun Nov 07, 2004 5:00 pm

Another case of sheer ignorance.

If you have a problem with the leader of a country, leave the country. Sure, airline tickets cost a few thousand, but if you're that determined to hate a country's leader, then you sure as hell can afford to skip your taxes and save up a few months.
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Postby armyofone » Sun Nov 07, 2004 5:17 pm

it may sound heartless but all he did was strengthen the gene pool...

anyone that stupid i would hope would never reproduce.
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Postby CRaZy)-(ØR§]® » Sun Nov 07, 2004 5:27 pm

sounds like they are guessing to me..we'll never hear the whole story...
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Postby Charisma » Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:45 pm

armyofone wrote: it may sound heartless but all he did was strengthen the gene pool...

anyone that stupid i would hope would never reproduce.

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Postby [da]serial killer » Sun Nov 07, 2004 8:56 pm

looks good

after this comes out..i can finally watch the original first 3
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Postby GTAce » Sun Nov 07, 2004 8:59 pm

doh!

wrong thread

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Postby Faded » Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:20 pm

"It's a national tragedy," he said. "This election is devastating to all who believe in democracy."


I think this sums up why I think many people are stupid. "devastating to all who believe in democracy."? Really? Thanks a ton there bocephus. Couldn't agree more. I know I wanted Bush to win because I believe that we should be ruled by a czar (sarcasm-don't want any dems thinking I'm serious). Dumbasses. Calm down left wingers. Don't want anymore kooks offing themselves.
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Postby cheese » Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:37 pm

First it shows that the mear fact of having Bush president for 4 more years makes people commit suicide, I cant think of another time in history that such an act has been portrayed.


It also shows with this whole election that in order to stay in office for 4 more years all you have to do is start a war. Doesnt matter if the deficite has been the highest ever or that the most jobs have ever been lost during his years as a president.


As far as moving to another country, yup we should
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Postby armyofone » Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:06 am

cheese wrote:First it shows that the mear fact of having Bush president for 4 more years makes people commit suicide, I cant think of another time in history that such an act has been portrayed.


It also shows with this whole election that in order to stay in office for 4 more years all you have to do is start a war. Doesnt matter if the deficite has been the highest ever or that the most jobs have ever been lost during his years as a president.


As far as moving to another country, yup we should

stuff like that makes me laugh, its really hilarious to me to hear all this. The fact that all the dems thought kerry was going to win in a landslide because they were all convinced everyone hated bush and come election day when polls can't be skewed, (even though they tried with the exit polls) that, amazing, look at that, more people wanted bush in office. then you have socialist european countries trying to say that the most advanced nation in the world is filled with idiots, and that this election wasn't just americas that it was the worlds also and we let them down. :jerkit:


As far as someone commiting suicide over the results of an election, people commit suicide for less reasons all the time. And as I said earlier, it only strengthens the gene pool. If people live in that distorted perception of reality that someone who they don't agree with makes them think its worth wanting to commit suicide they are simply screwed up. I don't like Kerry one bit, but if he would have been elected, I wouldn't ever consider leaving the country or anything else. Common sense and logic to me would be to wait til the next election and hope for the best. If someone is truly that bad they will not get elected. So basically are you saying that the majority of americans that elected them are as bad for agreeing with them enough to vote for them? And that roughly one out of two people would make you want to kill yourself because of their ideas? This is the most ridiculous friggin thing I've seen in a long time. Liberals need to quit living in this fantasy world that is so wrapped up in emotions and no logic and get back to reality.

As for people who want to move to another country, send some postcards :lmfao: and if you do leave, make sure to stay gone, it only makes it easier for conservatives to win every election (not that they aren't having problems winning elections as it is)

I hope all the kooks move to france where they fit in much better. Or ofcourse if they just feel it is unbearable and just need an easy way out, they can take option b which that fruitcake mentioned above did.
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Postby CRaZy)-(ØR§]® » Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:32 am

i believe terrorists started the war on terrorism not us..i don't think bush was buckin for another term lol

"It's a national tragedy," he said. "This election is devastating to all who believe in democracy."

also when i use to stand up in school in the morning to do the pledge of allegence..which i'm sure is still word for word...Doesn't it go something like this???

I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the>>>REPUBLIC<<< for which it stands:
one Nation under God indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

and not like this?? VV

I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the>>>DEMOCRACY<<< for which it stands:
one Nation under God indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

there is a big diffrence between the 2...to be a DEMOCRACY means to want big government..
to be a REPUBLIC is to let the states rule themselves the way it was intended in the Constitution..
Fact:Article IV Section. 4. The united States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government..

Do a search on google see what you come up with..

The difference between a democracy and a republic...

See if you want to pay taxes for something going on in the state of california and that state only benifiting from it only to never step foot in that state one time in your life..
Democracy is bullshit and it's not what our country was based on..
a state should be able to keep it's money in it's own state...there is more to it than that but thats just one issue...
people have been raised on this democracy thing so long that they think it's what freedom is..it's a step in the wrong direction if you think that..
read the constitution if you think i'm bullshittin..big government is what we fought to get away from and taxation without representation..what good does my states money represent to my state when it's going into another state with bigger bills than my state has..thats without representation of my tax dollars...taxation without representation...one form of it...

why people think the republic is the ones tryin to keep us down...the republic is about the little man saying the big guy isn't bigger than all of us and we can unseat you when you think you are bigger than us and start over...thats what it's about..thats what we were built on...the individual states are suposed to have the power when they unite..not the federal government..that is only one entity..we are 50 strong..they get what power we give them...when we lay down and give in to big government..then we are a democracy and nothing more...thats a shame if it gets there...because then we just became the divided states of america instead of the united..
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Postby Faded » Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:16 am

cheese wrote:First it shows that the mear fact of having Bush president for 4 more years makes people commit suicide, I cant think of another time in history that such an act has been portrayed.


It also shows with this whole election that in order to stay in office for 4 more years all you have to do is start a war. Doesnt matter if the deficite has been the highest ever or that the most jobs have ever been lost during his years as a president.


As far as moving to another country, yup we should

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Postby [da]serial killer » Mon Nov 08, 2004 3:50 am

HOW THE HELL DID THAT GET POSTED HERE LOL

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Postby GTAce » Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:41 pm

Being that this guy was an employee here at UGA, there has been a lot about him in the papers...specifically the school paper...here's one of the articles from our "Opinions" section...it's a good read, otherwise I wouldnt type it, lol

if there are any typos, get over it...i didnt proofread

"Suicide Won't Help the Rest of the World"

Of course I am horrified and upset by the death of such a wonderful young man as Veal and am deeply concerned for his family and loved ones.

However, I am extremely mad and disappointed in him and his choice.  If Veal truly did make that journey to make a dramatic political point by symbolically killing himself, then he just committed an injustice to the same world he so cared about.

Yes, everyone will be talking about this for the next couple weeks, but after a month (or less), there will be more news and it will be forgotten.


How much more useful and influential could he have been if he had chosen to make the current political situation his source of motivation to make a difference in the world?

Where would the African-Americans be today if MLK had just decided to kill himself before he even got started?  I can promise not where they are now.

And to think Veal could have passionately worked for his cause for maybe 60 more years.  It seems like a waste.

I hope that in the coming days there will be more talk of this tragic even, everyone will stop to think about the other side of this issue in addition to what Veal was trying to get us to recognize.  How much did he really accomplish?

I respect Veal and admire his courage and passion but I don't agree with his way of showing it.

Hopefully, others will see how much more they can contribute to the world by staying alive.  I am so sorry this happened.


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