Descendants of Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse break awa

Postby cheese » Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:03 pm

Descendants of Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse break away from US

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Descendants of Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse break away from US

The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States, leaders said Wednesday.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us," long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means told a handful of reporters and a delegation from the Bolivian embassy, gathered in a church in a run-down neighborhood of Washington for a news conference.

A delegation of Lakota leaders delivered a message to the State Department on Monday, announcing they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the United States, some of them more than 150 years old.

They also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and will continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months, they told the news conference.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free -- provided residents renounce their US citizenship, Means said.

The treaties signed with the United States are merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists say on their website.

The treaties have been "repeatedly violated in order to steal our culture, our land and our ability to maintain our way of life," the reborn freedom movement says.

Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.

"This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution," which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.

"It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent," said Means.

The Lakota relaunched their journey to freedom in 1974, when they drafted a declaration of continuing independence -- an overt play on the title of the United States' Declaration of Independence from England.

Thirty-three years have elapsed since then because "it takes critical mass to combat colonialism and we wanted to make sure that all our ducks were in a row," Means said.

One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples -- despite opposition from the United States, which said it clashed with its own laws.

"We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by. They continue to take our land, our water, our children," Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977, told the news conference.

The US "annexation" of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere "facsimiles of white people," said Means.

Oppression at the hands of the US government has taken its toll on the Lakota, whose men have one of the shortest life expectancies -- less than 44 years -- in the world.

Lakota teen suicides are 150 percent above the norm for the United States; infant mortality is five times higher than the US average; and unemployment is rife, according to the Lakota freedom movement's website.

"Our people want to live, not just survive or crawl and be mascots," said Young.

"We are not trying to embarrass the United States. We are here to continue the struggle for our children and grandchildren," she said, predicting that the battle would not be won in her lifetime.


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Postby cheese » Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:05 pm

This most likely will end up in the US Supreme Court. The funny part about this is that the United States painted themselves in a corner with treaties and conventions they have signed since the occupation of the Indians land.

From an objective point of view the Indians would win a legal battle for this to take place. From a reality stand point they aren't getting shit back.
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Postby Action » Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:29 pm

Seems like they want thier own little Utopia in the middle of 5 states? I don't see anything major coming from this...
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Postby Lep » Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:37 pm

How many of them are there even?
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Postby cheese » Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:24 pm

Lep wrote:How many of them are there even?



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Postby CRaZy)-(ØR§]® » Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:26 pm

More power to them if it works
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Postby cheese » Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:11 pm

CRaZy)-(ØR§]® wrote:More power to them if it works




Your not taking side or anything.....
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Postby Trigger_happy » Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:05 pm

I feel they have every right and should have done it long before now.Hell they should never have been treated like trash in the first place.If I'm not mistaken they were here first and possession is 9/10ths of the law right???
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Postby Clizown » Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:13 pm

Trigger_happy wrote:I feel they have every right and should have done it long before now.Hell they should never have been treated like trash in the first place.If I'm not mistaken they were here first and possession is 9/10ths of the law right???



yeah, so we took possession.
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Postby Trigger_happy » Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:01 am

Spoken like a true ignorant.How would you feel if a diff country would do the same thing now???Bet you wouldn't be so smug about it now.And yes I am 1/4 indian.
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Postby Slorg » Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:08 am

It was obviously a joke.

Maybe a poor one but this isn't something to be anuses to each other about.
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Postby CRaZy)-(ØR§]® » Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:27 pm

cheese wrote:
CRaZy)-(ØR§ wrote:®,Dec 25 2007, 01:26 PM]More power to them if it works




Your not taking side or anything.....


really i have bigger things to worry about than another fucking by the U.S. government..but if this is a legit story sure i hope they get it back..it's thiers
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Postby cheese » Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:28 am

CRaZy)-(ØR§]® wrote:
cheese wrote:
CRaZy)-(ØR§ wrote:®,Dec 25 2007, 01:26 PM]More power to them if it works




Your not taking side or anything.....


really i have bigger things to worry about than another fucking by the U.S. government..but if this is a legit story sure i hope they get it back..it's thiers




Ummmm it is a true story and the reference I made above related to your name. Damn you are getting old Terry. Next stop old persons home with a window facing a brick wall. It's for the best, Terry!
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Postby CRaZy)-(ØR§]® » Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:36 pm

i didn't look at it as a refrence to my name ..i thought you were asking a real opinion is all..
but then again i forgot who i was responding to..the nice thing about getting older is memory loss :P
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